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#1038830 - 04/26/10 11:46 AM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: Calvin Pollet]
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you could not be further from the truth with the snomo vs. non spread triple class.... I personally would have NO problem with the snomos in the same class as my little triple, however the second that that is allowed I can promise you that one of your very reputable builders"top 3 in the world" would be right there wanting to enter their cougars in the same class.

Calvin, you and I both know the horsepower advantage with the dm vs. cougar. They are just now starting to show the hp on the track. I can promise you that if the spread rule is done away with in the twin class it WILL detroy that class

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#1038831 - 04/26/10 11:48 AM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: Calvin Pollet]
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WHATEVER does end up happening, I just hope that they decide soon so new builds can be started

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#1038871 - 04/26/10 04:29 PM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: holottanos]
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#1038879 - 04/26/10 04:52 PM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: Calvin Pollet]
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Originally Posted By: Calvin Pollet
when someone walked into the pit I was in and proceeded to tell me why I was wrong to believe the way I do. This was my first experience with this PS member........and I now feel he is an even bigger pain in the rear than I did before I met him.....BUT THAT IS RACIN.....and everyone is entitled to their own opinion!


This part of your post is even funnier than watching you waddle off, muttering under your breath, looking for somewhere to spew your bias without challenge. rof

It was me that walked into the staging area but I didn't say a word until YOU said that you don't like snomos. I didn't know you from Adam but when I heard those words come out of your mouth, I had a pretty good idea who was talking. After listening to you bitch about the 4 strokes (still) and then hearing you talk down about snomos, I laughed at your biased comment, introduced myself, and gave MY opinion on why some people want to keep the classes separated. I never told you what you should think, I only gave my opinion on why I believe some don't want huge classes. Instead of discussing this (and PSDRA I hoped) like rational adults with different opinions, you ran away. shrug

And you thinking that I'm a pain in the rear doesn't affect me in the slightest, I'd MUCH rather be known as a pain in the rear than someone who acts differently on the internet than in person or someone who openly dislikes others' choice of race machine. shakinghead

Originally Posted By: Calvin Pollet
What that person did say that needs to be addressed here is that the shifter bike owners do not want to run against the snomo bikes........NOTHING could be farther from the truth, the shifter bikes that are limited to "non-spreadbore" don't want to run against ANY engine with a spreadbore.....shifter OR snomo.


Why are you the only one that can interpret "the truth"? If your interpretation is accurate, CVTs would be allowed in any of the 102c2c classes but so far, nobody has offered that up as a potential solution. Some say they want to keep the classes separate because of the spreadbore shifter's "potential" but until 102c2c shifters and spreadbore CVTs can run in the same CC classes, I stand by my opinion, smaller classes make shifter reliability less of a factor. ponder
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#1038916 - 04/26/10 06:18 PM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: ubetrun]
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Originally Posted By: ubetrun
It was me that walked into the staging area but I didn't say a word until YOU said that you don't like snomos.
I didn't mention who it was that I spoke with.....but since you did........You can't even get the facts straight about where the conversation took place, why should I expect you to get ANYTHING else understood that I said. I was standing in the pits at a trailer talking to the owner of the bike which was also sitting beside his trailer.......as for your opinion, "IF" I ever want to hear your opinion, I will ask for it or at least listen to it, "if" it is given during a conversation we are having....which I would just as soon never have with you again. It was not until our conversation was over that I was informed who you were, you did introduce yourself by name, but the name didn't ring any bells to me.....UNTIL I was asked if I saw the "ubetrun" racing shirt, THEN the attitude and demeanor made perfect sense, you are exactly the same in front of the computer as you are in person......wrong, and mad about it.

I was in the Askin Motorsports(?) pit speaking with a real nice guy named Patrick, (at least I believe that is his name), about an engine with cylinders we make.....I was in a golf cart, which left the pit after you did, so as for the "woddling off" remark it must have been at a different time you were watchin this slightly overweight guy walk away, (something I am pretty darn uncomfortable with by the way....but that may also say quite a bit about you....IDK)


Originally Posted By: ubetrun
...If your interpretation is accurate, CVTs would be allowed in any of the 102c2c classes but so far, nobody has offered that up as a potential solution....

THAT IS exactly my interpretation, do away with the 102c2c separator, and I have "offered it up" MANY times. IMO, the only separators for classes should be the number of cylinders, and the displacement. I know the four-strokes feel they need the displacement handicap, and I really can't argue there may need to be "some" handicap given in displacement between 2-strokes and 4-strokes, but if the displacement breaks are put in the right place, IMO, the separation based on c2c width would be unnecessary.

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#1038927 - 04/26/10 07:01 PM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: Calvin Pollet]
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Waddle? rofl I didn't know you waddle....but then again I wan't there so I should stay out of this. I really need to go next year. Seems like I missed a lot.
I'll be the real skinny Old Dude.....Not sure if I waddle or not though. I do have a limp though....I'll try hard to make it next year. wink
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#1038941 - 04/26/10 07:32 PM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: Calvin Pollet]
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Originally Posted By: Calvin Pollet
Originally Posted By: ubetrun
It was me that walked into the staging area but I didn't say a word until YOU said that you don't like snomos.
I didn't mention who it was that I spoke with.....but since you did........You can't even get the facts straight about where the conversation took place, why should I expect you to get ANYTHING else understood that I said. I was standing in the pits at a trailer talking to the owner of the bike which was also sitting beside his trailer.......


Maybe I am wrong about the location, I thought (think) it was by the staging lanes where they were weighing bikes. Even if the location is wrong, that doesn't negate the sequence of the conversation which you haven't actually denied. YOU first mentioned your dislike of snomos to two snomo racers before I said a single word.

Originally Posted By: Calvin Pollet
as for your opinion, "IF" I ever want to hear your opinion, I will ask for it or at least listen to it, "if" it is given during a conversation we are having....which I would just as soon never have with you again. It was not until our conversation was over that I was informed who you were, you did introduce yourself by name, but the name didn't ring any bells to me.....UNTIL I was asked if I saw the "ubetrun" racing shirt, THEN the attitude and demeanor made perfect sense


If you think I need your permission to offer my opinion, you are sadly mistaken. You didn't ask my opinion before telling anyone within earshot (me) that you didn't like snomos and other than laughing at your biased comment, I don't think I displayed any particular attitude or demeanor. shrug

Originally Posted By: Calvin Pollet
you are exactly the same in front of the computer as you are in person......wrong, and mad about it.


Having a different opinion doesn't make me wrong and I assure you that I'm not mad but I agree that I am the same in front of the computer as I am in person...unlike you who left in a little huff but now has plenty to say. shakinghead

Originally Posted By: Calvin Pollet
I was in the Askin Motorsports(?) pit speaking with a real nice guy named Patrick, (at least I believe that is his name), about an engine with cylinders we make.....I was in a golf cart, which left the pit after you did, so as for the "woddling off" remark it must have been at a different time you were watchin this slightly overweight guy walk away, (something I am pretty darn uncomfortable with by the way....but that may also say quite a bit about you....IDK)


I may be wrong about the location but I'm damned sure not wrong about you "having to leave after that comment". Don't know or care where you went after or how you got there but you damn sure left in a hurry. rof

Originally Posted By: Calvin Pollet
Originally Posted By: ubetrun
...If your interpretation is accurate, CVTs would be allowed in any of the 102c2c classes but so far, nobody has offered that up as a potential solution....

THAT IS exactly my interpretation, do away with the 102c2c separator, and I have "offered it up" MANY times. IMO, the only separators for classes should be the number of cylinders, and the displacement. I know the four-strokes feel they need the displacement handicap, and I really can't argue there may need to be "some" handicap given in displacement between 2-strokes and 4-strokes, but if the displacement breaks are put in the right place, IMO, the separation based on c2c width would be unnecessary.


When I said that nobody has offered it up, I meant no racers have offered it up. I wasn't talking about those that don't actually race but try tell others how they should do it...
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#1038946 - 04/26/10 07:39 PM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: ubetrun]
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#1038949 - 04/26/10 07:42 PM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: Calvin Pollet]
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are the new (rules) rof gonna include accurate fuel test's, maybe a fuel provided by a dealer at the track like a event of this size should have?, A rule in place so if someone wants to protest it is clear as to what the process is,(since this needs to be done to slipshot lol). How about a bike rider minimum before somebody gets hurt? Or is weight still not a factor? How about considering what is best for the sport instead of listening to a few that cry (and get beat and then cry). Im staying away until it gets more OFFICIAL. Not that my trailer matters we only bring a 4mil, 2 18's,& a big twin, and usually enter in any and every class i can. these are real questions not at all trying to start a fight with anyone i would just like to see things progress.
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#1038966 - 04/26/10 08:19 PM Re: Shifter/Snomo/Spreadbore/"stock" Spread Seperation [Re: JM570]
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