you can run 4.0's without a bar..

Pretty sure they're talkin about the 4 pokes...Cam.
My bike went 4.0 down there with no bar, off the trailer...

show me a 4.0 pass with no bar

fourstroke that is

My bike is a two stroke, that's why I think cam and myself were clarifying...

I'm not saying a 4 poke can or can't do it...

I think he and I were just saying it can be done on a two smoke, and it has already!!

i think its hard to just GET a 4 stroke based 450 bike INTO the 4's let alone need a bar to control the obnoxious amount of power...

i think i heard of one around here that did but was in an actual drag type frame. i dont think it had a bar on it but i am unsure if it actually went 4.0 maybe 4.1's, 4.2's? but again i am unsure..

ok i understand that they make a LOT of tq and it takes a bunch of paddles to get them to move and they really lack the HP on top and thats why overall they are slow. but i bet if someone did a nice drag frame and then ran the back out on it a bit it would be controlable,. but yes the bar thing witha LONG front would be best..