Charlie,

Its good to see oem 4-stroke records being recognized.

thanks,
Scott

I agree, thank you Charlie!!

Me too. Thanks to everyone involved

That just gave me a reason to try and make one of the PS races-Thank you charlie

Thanks guys, we are trying

Am I missing something I dont see any records?

They will be posted in their respective slots.....as soon as someone runs at the FOTP Race in the spring, they are newly kept records, so they still need to be set.

Thanks for clarifying that Calvin.

How many years has this FOTP race been going on? Is there standing records for these? If so where can I see them.

As far as I know there has been no records kept for "divisions inside of a class", which is what the 2-stroke / 4-stroke records will be. In the past, they ran together and were scored together, so the records were kept together, (and it seems the 2-Strokes and the 4-Strokes must have been pretty close because it seems they have been "splitting" the overall wins fairly evenly.....IMO.

The only PS-recognized OEM chassis record I know was at last year's Gilbert race, Silverbullet ran an all-motor 4.2 in an OEM chassis Raptor and Charlie signed his timeslip.

Was this record defeated this year?

If not yet--- it will. Both the n/a and poweradder OEM records could be broken, hopefully by the same bike.

I was wondering if it was honored or broken by an oem raptor in Gilbert this year?

I know there is a couple oem raptors running 4.2's on motor though,

Oh- I dont know....maybe John or Jeremy or somebody that was there will chime in.

I heard rumors of an oem chassis raptor running 4.2's....but dont know how low in the 20's...

There are many OEM raptors capable of 4.2s n/a, not just one. I can think of at least ten bikes that could do it if setup properly.

So does this mean there will be Limited and Unlimited OEM 4 Stroke Classes at the up coming Gilbert event in 2010?

can these records be set at the avi race or just the race in FOTP RACE

This is exciting, hopefully some records from the Avi will make it past La next year....

I was wondering if there will be oem frame limited and unlimited classes as well. Or will the oem frames be thrown in with the drag frames? It could make a difference on how many oem frame bikes show up. Alot of the oem frame guys wont come because they dont want to be thrown in with the drag chassis. Just what I have been told by alot of stock frame guys.

They list a record for :
4S OEM Limited 0-505
4S OEM limited 506-730
4S OEM limited 731+
4S OEM Unlimited 0-505
4S OEM Unlimited 506-730
4S OEM Unlimited 730+
4S limited 0-505
4S Limited 506-730
4S Limited 730+
4S Unlimited Single Cylinder
4S Unlimited
So hopefully we will have classes for all the above.
I think if we encourage people to show up and fill these classes they will hold them for us.
I'd imagine that if there are only a few of each they will get thrown together.

Chris Clements Silverbullet ran 4.27 at PS and backed it with a 4.28 next pass. that was a full weight stock frame, uncut. with a 794 n/a. As far as i know, he still holds the record for that.

That time has been beat by several OEM bikes, a DS, 700r and 660r have all gone faster in an OEM chassis. Current record is 4.105 for a N/A OEM 4stroke.

omg....here we go!!!!

No offense Daniel, but he's right.

im sorry chris clement corrected me, it was 4.21 with another 4.22 AT Planet Sand. Its only a record if it has been recorded and signed by Charlie at an Offical event, idc where u run it at or how many times u do it, if it isnt observed and recorded at an official track, we could care less.

That might be a planetsand record, or a track record. But 4.105 is the world record. And, it is recorded and observed by an official track.

"we"...what, do you have a mouse in your pocket??

no, me and chris clement. and id hope there is faster oem frame raptor. but for a 794 uncut chassis fullweight to go 4.21 and .22 back to back is crazy. so we have a wannabe comedian now eh? world record eh? really so yall have went over the entire world n found that?  Finishlines oem frame 812hybrid ran 4.11 at outlaw. so wtf? and my buddys oem frame 794 went 4.20 off the trailer no bar! so go play. i was just saying that Silverbullet held the Planet Sand record for fastest oem frame raptor.

No, I dont want to be a comedian. Why do you ask? LOL

I agree, the silver-bullet bike was/is very impressive, no matter the CCs. Ive always agreed with that. Overrated and I were merely stating the facts. 4.105 backed up with a 4.16 (I believe) at a legit track (albany) is the fastest limited time ran by any oem frame 4stroke, to date. It was done in spring, and until now, no one has disputed it.

really so yall have went over the entire world n found that?

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once.

Finishlines oem frame 812hybrid ran 4.11 at outlaw. so wtf?

Im not sure how to answer that. Although, I was told its a 740..

i was just saying that Silverbullet held the Planet Sand record for fastest oem frame raptor.

Understood, and agreed...

Planet Sand Record where are those kept????

lmao

But Nick said a oem frame all motor raptor just went a 4.09 at that same track.

In a warehouse in a undisclosed location.

Nick was just running his mouth and trying to get under your guys's skin.....fastest pass on a OEM frame raptor out here is 4.25 or 4.26 right now I believe.

Good job Eric!!! Someone found it,lol. You know though now padoo is now going to question the legitimacy of that photo

I looked at the "Planet Sand" records and I don’t see your time, so I guess Planet Sand could care less either, lmao. However, you’d care if you had to line up with a 4.10 bike- lol.

I did see some two stokes in there, maybe they got more than just a signature on their slip? Rectal scanning and fingerprinting are required too, they didn’t tell ya? Gotta read the fine print, man. The day that I walk up to the track owner and ask them to sign my slip, somebody please slap the $hit out of me for being such a gullible dumbass.

The bike has run within 1/2 a tenth with two different riders on three different tracks; it’s probably all flukes though right?

I'm not taking anything away from ya- 4.21s are fast for any 4stroke- so let’s not get our panties all into a wad about that. But isn’t it great pouring all this money and time and hard work into our bikes and not have one single organization that keeps up with the records? It shouldn’t be hard to do--Across the board, no matter what track- your RT, 60ft, ET and mph all should jive and if they do, then its legit- bikes don’t need to run at the center of the universe and be recorded on the same Tandy 1000 to have a record.

But for now, that isn’t the way it is- the sport is still in its infancy. Course its been this way for a while, the fact that this sport seems to be filled with peeps that don’t mind paying 15k for a race bike but wouldn’t dare pay membership fees for an association to organize it properly doesnt help either. Too bad Wally Parks wasn’t into atvs.

So I guess we will just have to have our personal bests for now. I gotta go, heading out to the shop to build myself a personal best ET record trophy and a “I am faster than….uhmm, well, ME!!” t-shirt. Does someone have some Elmer’s and gold glitter I can borrow?

There is no reason why we couldn't compile and keep the records ourselves. We could establish our own 4 stroke association and observe the records ourselves. The only problem is a dang ol DS would be beside all of the 650 and up ones.

I 100% agree, Taylor. I would be nice to have an organization or association to keep track of records nation wide, or even world wide. Also connecting tracks across the nation with a format of classes and rules. I too would pays fee's to support such a thing.

For now, we just have handful of individual tracks where select events are held, and records kept at those events. And the funniest part is, theyre called "World Records"... Which in reality its nothing more than a track record or event record, or this select group record. People can call it what the want, but the actual racers know what the real times to beat are, weather people chose to admit it or not.

People can call it what the want, but the actual racers know what the real times to beat are, weather people chose to admit it or not.
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true that

Can we all agree that the following e.t's are currently the records to beat on a single cylinder oem chassis fourstroke?

N/A: 4.10--Overrated OMW DS 870

Unlimited: 3.93--Goodsound OMW DS 855

Doesnt appear that too many agree with that....shock....LOL

No dis-ageement either though

Shock because of the e.t's or shock because of who said it?

has anybody

If you see a blank record or have a Faster Elapsed Time than shown in our database then send in your time slips. No record will be added unless we can display the time slips. All Official Records and Track Records must be backed up within 3% at the same event, you must fax or email your time slips for evaluation before they are added to our records.

???

right now i guess a 5.0 pass would be the faster than a blank pass right?

shock because it doesnt surprise me that people dont agree with, or doubt the times

thats very true

I can agree with the above times

Respectable...

JMHO but if we were to start keeping our own records, in a database of sorts, I think it would be nice to specify the weight of the jockey to kinda keep times in perspective.

Its really a run what ya brung scenario without hardline rules and regulations set in place and enforced at each event....

Thats a good idea.

If there is not going to be a set of guidelines put into motion, everyone just as well build the lightest rigid money can buy and stuff the most hp/tq into it and call it good.

Not to cast any doubt on any times ran, but if everyone dont play by the same rules at every track, its pointless to build anything other than what I described above....

Anyone can say I ran this or I ran that on motor, but if the same rules dont apply across the board, it leaves a huge question mark beside their e.t.'s.

Until that happens, you can only say you hold the record for a particular track or event!

On this forum, and several others- There have been many fast ETs posted in the last two-three months, but people are not posting 60s or mph.

There is no way of assessing the validity of someone’s statements without adequate information. I do this for a living.

Helmet on, throwing a leg over the bike- Geoff weighs 150-155lbs; I weigh 187.

It would be nice if I wasn’t one of the only few posting this info.

Very valid information Taylor. I think its a crying shame for any of us to spend the money we spend on drag racing a single cylinder 4 stroke without a set of rules and regulations in place that will be enforced across the board at every track we attend. As I said, its a run what ya brung scenario until that happens...kinda why I went another direction over the last couple years....

Thank you

I agree. There should be an across the board format used at each individual track and their events, and it needs to be simple and easy to enforce.

Get over in the PSDRA thread and try to breathe some life into it, there are people thinking along these lines but it hasn't caught fire yet.

I think even with (one rule book) and regulations you will still get folks going back and forth on et and mph,due to lighting system and track condition,meaning "our track has more dirt than yours" ect.,ect.It does make for some good reading sometimes though.

I agree, but everyone would be playing on a level field if a circuit is created around the same rules & regs across the board.

Any oem frame 650 cc records? Or is it oem frame any cc four stroke?

Taylor your bike went a 4.10 wit u on it?

Trey- it went 4.2s with me on it, I havent gotten into the teens on it myself yet. I had Geoff ride it when it went 4.1s. He and Brent are about the same size.

If u dont mind me askin how much u weight

That's kinda my point with posting the jockey weights with the times. IMHO it's almost to the point now that when people hear about a good 4 stroke time they assume it was with a light-weight feller on it but that isn't always the case. Local fella that weighs 205 has been 4.13 on his OEM 660 based Raptor (power adder of course). Could that bike be close to Goodsound's record with a little jockey?
IMO, there are alot of single 4 strokes that can go fast with a jockey....but very few that can go fast with a full size pilot.

With all due respect Sto, I cant say I agree. Its not like I am the only one that is allowed to put a jockey on my bike. 90% or more race teams, have team jockeys. Without any weight limit rules, getting the total package as light as possible is the name of the game. Although 4.1s is impressive with a 200+ lbs rider, it really doesnt mean anything. Again, that statement is with all due respect. Not trying to discredit anyone. By saying "with a jockey it would probably be close to so-and-so's record", my response to that is 'well, put a jockey on it and find out. Otherwise.....'

To me, the bottom line is the time. I always assume that everyone is taking advantage of every legal advantage possible. Refusing to put a jockey on a fast bike is kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, IMO.

Agreed!

sto your funny, i have to say i agree with you most the time but i think what your meaning with the weight limit stuff is pretty much contradictory to what ive heard you say about "nitrous" or a "drag frame" if its a disadvantage find a way around or be happy with what your bike runs without the advantage. (im not trying to sound like a jerk i mean it with well intent).

And whats the weight of a full sized pilot?

129#s

Agreeing to disagree is perfectly acceptable to me. Perhaps it sounded like I was complaining but I wasn't. He is 205, I'm 188. I'd consider both of us pretty much regular size guys. Jockeys have taken the fun out of what is nothing mor than a hobby sport. At one point, back when they were having fun, every owner I know that presently uses a jockey, once drove their own stuff and had more fun driving than watching...that's just my opinion. I'm happy driving my own stuff and having a weight disadvantage, not complaining about it.

Yeah, I knew how you meant it, and I agree on the whole agreeing to disagree thing LOL. And I totally see what your saying, and it does kinda suck that I cant ride my own bike in the big races, but thats just the way it is, I guess.


One thing though, if a 180-200 person is normal, are you saying Im abnormal...

J/K...

what truelly constitutes a OEM frame? For example the new WK front clip, bolts on, or how bout a rigid swinger wElded on?

I have said it once and I will say it again, there are no "rules" in this sport so there should be one single cylinder class, may the fastest bike win!

Some people who DO ride their own bikes have to use nitrous and chassis's while oem motor bikes use jockeys and some just use all of the above...imo i personally will never be competive with my weight of 275 lbs v/s a 180 lbs. guy thats almost 100lbs. diff. so yea i use a jockey to be competive I'm just saying!

Im just saying if your not gonna install and enforce true "rules and regs" it should be a seperated by chassis's ONLY! Run what ya brung and hope ya brung enough...

but all we can do is go to the races and race the classes with the rules that the track makes.What one track lets ride another track might not.So just find out the rules of each track and pick your poison...I'm just saying

, but dont act like your running a "world" record when in theory there arent any "world" records when the rules only pertain to the track in which you ran your "world" record pass on....im just saying....

well since there is no world records reconized then i guess all these fast times can be claimed in back yards

There will have to be an * placed by each...

World Record Run At Outlaw Sand Drags
World Record Run At SandBlast
World Record Run At Sheltons
Etc, Etc....

dont forget to add the day of the week and the cc limit and the frame and the PA and the jockeys middle name and what there poop smelt like 2 days before.

You made my point for me...thanks!

Scott, your right on.
Until there is a sanctioned series with rules we all race under its a " track record" for wahatever bike you choose to run..lol And thats not going to happen (at least anytime soon)
Don't get me wrong thats still an very prestigious thing, to be the fastest on a certain build in your track.
Lets all work on gettn more 4 strokes in the 3's and band together as opposed to being aginast each other. We all have the same goals, more racers, more classes, more fun!
Trying to make it more serious and more competitive does have its downsides. But competition gets us all going, we all want to be the best at what we do.
Good Luck in 2010 racing guys!

Very well said Kam!

No competition here just a hobby

Its a hobby no matter where you go...